Probably all the CCD phones in the world!

Posted by SaLiH
I made this post in January, when I saw some members asking questions about CCD camera mobile phones in ''does SO905iCS coming to Europe ?'' thread. Since Sony α revived popularity of SO905iCS, I've visited that thread again and remembered this post I forgot to publish back then. So I'm publishing it now.

List of probably all the CCD camera phones in the world. (I like Japanese and Korean phones a lot, so I keep myself well informed about their phones.

(Almost all of CCD camera phones come from Korea and Japan)

I didn't post photos of the phones, because then the thread would become slow for those browsing on slow connections.

Finally here's the list:

1 MP CCD Camera phones:

Sharp GX32 (1 MP)

Sharp V801SH (1 MP)

Sharp TM150 (1 MP)

Sharp 802 (1.3 MP)

Sharp V402SH (1.3 MP)

Mitsubishi M900/M430i (1.3 MP) interpolated to 2 MP

Sony Ericsson S700i (1.3 MP)

Sony Ericsson S710i (1.3 MP)

2 MP CCD Camera phones:

Casio HS7000 (2 MP)

Sharp TM200 (2 MP)

Sharp 902 (2 MP)

Sharp V602SH (2 MP)

Sharp 705SH (2 MP)

Toshiba 803T (2.26 MP)

Mitsubishi V401D (2 MP)

Samsung SPH-V5100 (2MP)

Samsung SGH-i750 (2 MP)

Samsung MM-A800 (2 MP)

LG HS8000 (2 MP)

Pantech & Curitel PH-L4000V (2.1 MP)

Pantech & Curitel PH-K1500 (2.1 MP)

Pantech PT-K110 (2 MP)

Pantech PG-8000 (2.1 MP)

Pantech PG-6100 (2 MP)

Casio W52CA (2.07 MP)

3 MP CCD Camera phones:

Casio-A5406CA (3,2 MP)

Casio-W31CA (3,2 MP)

Sharp 903 (SX833) (3.15 MP)

Sharp 904 (3.15 MP)

XCute DV1 (3.15 MP)

XCute DV2 (3.15 MP) interpolated to 6 MP

Samsung SCH-A990 (3.2 MP)

Samsung Z710 (3.2 MP)

Samsung P850 (3.15 MP)

Samsung SPH-S2300 (3.2 MP)

4 MP CCD Camera phones:

VK Mobile VK2200 (4 MP)

Lenovo v920 (4 MP)

5 MP CCD Camera phones:

Samsung-SCH-S250 (P860) (5 MP)

Samsung SPH-V7800 (5.2 MP)

Samsung SCH-B380 (5MP)

Pantech IM-8600 (5 MP)

LG KG920 (5 MP)

GIGABYTE g-Cam (5 MP)

XCute DV50 (5 MP) interpolated to 8 MP

XCute DV80 (5 MP) interpolated to 8 MP

Sharp 910sh (5 MP)

Casio Exilim-W53Ca (5.1 MP)

SAMART i-mobile 902 (5 MP) interpolated to 8 MP

6 MP CCD Camera phones:

Surprisingly still no 6 MP camera phone, which is weird since camera experts said that 6 MP is enough for great quality photos, and more MP is just a marketing trick to make people buy higher MP cameras.

There was only this interpolated 6 MP camera phone so far:

XCute DV2 (3.15 MP) interpolated to 6 MP

Edited:

Lensas F2218 (6.1 MP)

liukaitc told us that Lensas F2218 is actually 6.1 MP phone, interpolated to 8 MP. That means that there is a real 6.1 MP phone after all!

Thanks for the info liukaitc!

7 MP CCD Camera phones:

Samsung SCH-V770 (7 MP)

Samsung SCH-B500 (7.7 MP)

8 MP CCD Camera phones:

Samsung SPH-V8200 (8 MP)

Interpolated 8 MP CCD phones:

SAMART i-mobile 902 (5 MP) interpolated to 8 MP

Lensas F2218 (6.1 MP) interpolated to 8 MP

XCute DV50 (5 MP) interpolated to 8 MP

XCute DV80 (5 MP) interpolated to 8 MP

10 MP CCD Camera phones:

Samsung SCH-B600 (10 MP)

My personal favorites are these four Korean CCD camera phones, or should I say cameras with phone function!;) I don't care about their size, I would still like to have any of these four phones, because they really have real cameras, and produce stunning photos. I had i-mobile 902 which also has 5 MP CCD sensor, but it can't compete with these phones.

Left to right:

Samsung SPH-S2300 (3.2 MP) (year 2004)

Samsung SPH-V7800 (5.2 MP) (year 2004)

Samsung SCH-V770 (7 MP) (year 2005)

Samsung SCH-B600 (10 MP) (year 2006)

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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Sure it'd be cool to have one of those last ones, but they are so ugly!

And with the lens thing sticking out the back, they just look ridiculous!

Posted by razec
^^ They look high tech to me

although the idea of a sticking lens barrel is fragile for mobile usage. the Samsung's G800/G810 and SE's W62/SO905iCS optical zoom approach is much better imo

and in fact Samsung and SE are capable of fitting the 1/2.5" CCD on that form factor.

Posted by SaLiH
@Muhammad-Oli - I agree, but I would be ready to put that all aside if they would completely replace dedicated digital camera, and they sure would.

@razec - They look high tech to me too, and I like the sticking lens, it looks like a real camera.

Samsung SPH-S2300 (3.2 MP)

Samsung SPH-V7800 (5.2 MP)

Samsung SCH-V770 (7 MP)

Samsung SCH-B600 (10 MP)

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Posted by razec
Hows the user interface of those samsung phones? my experience with Samsung UI was not that good. i hate their UIs before. though it has changed when i used D880, i450 and G800.

Judging by the camera quality i can't any anything. CCD power is undoubtable. no need to show 100% crops then

Posted by QVGA
Samsung pretty much owns that entire list.

Posted by SaLiH
@razec - I'm also not sure about the interface, because I haven't seen it, I hope it's fast. I wouldn't like to have a phone with a great camera and slow and buggy software (that's the case with i-mobile 902)

@QVGA - You're right, Korean Samsung seems like totally different brand from the global Samsung. I mean G600, G800, G810, U900 all look like toys compared to their phones in Korea.

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Posted by AbuBasim
@SaLiH,

I'm disappointed that you missed one

The only 3 MP CCD model Samsung released for the GSM market was the SGH-z710. This was a twin to the CDMA model SCH-a990 available in the US. Mobile-review.com posted a review of the camera here.

Edit: It looks like you got it, but with a typo in the model number. You have listed z700 but the model number is z710. But you missed the a990

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Posted by Sony α
Hehe!

Nice to see the thread revival!

Agreed, the majority of times, the Charge Coupled Device outperforms its CMOS counterpart - but as Sony showed with the 'Cyber-shot' DSC-R1 - the CMOS can also perform miracles, outperforming many CCD devices!

Check it out below!

This just rocks, seriously!

Posted by AbuBasim

On 2008-03-22 12:26:19, Sony α wrote:
Hehe!

Nice to see the thread revival!

Agreed, the majority of times, the Charge Coupled Device outperforms its CMOS counterpart - but as Sony showed with the 'Cyber-shot' DSC-R1 - the CMOS can also perform miracles, outperforming many CCD devices!

Although CCD is still more sensitive, CMOS is cheaper and make larger sensors more affordable, and when the sensor is large enough, sensitivity becomes less critical. And readout is faster, making features like high-speed video (like Viewty's 120fps recording) possible.

Posted by razec
^^
Hi Abu Basim:

Viewty has a cmos sensor right? but more of a newer type then. i just imagine the moment when i visited engadget then suddenly i read that Sony had developed a 12mp APS-C cmos sensor compatible for canon 40D which almost doubles the framespeed from 6.5fps(40D) to 10fps(with the new sensor) i think at this moment making the sensor bigger to accomodate more light is not that essential anymore with the advent of this new technology

Posted by Waspinator
Does N82 houses CCD sensor.

Posted by razec
@waspinator:

No, N82 uses a 1/2.5" CMOS - same type as with N95/N95 8Gb.

Posted by AbuBasim

On 2008-03-22 23:47:15, razec wrote:
^^
Hi Abu Basim:

Viewty has a cmos sensor right? but more of a newer type then. i just imagine the moment when i visited engadget then suddenly i read that Sony had developed a 12mp APS-C cmos sensor compatible for canon 40D which almost doubles the framespeed from 6.5fps(40D) to 10fps(with the new sensor) i think at this moment making the sensor bigger to accomodate more light is not that essential anymore with the advent of this new technology

Keep in mind that higher frame rate doesn't mean higher sensitivity. This is just a measure of how fast a sensor can delivery image data, measured in frames per second. A phone like Viewty still needs plenty of light when shooting high-speed video. If you on the other hand go for larger sensors then sensitivity jumps up and start approaching that of CCD. Comparing Sony's huge IMX021 12 MP sensor with their old ICX495 5 MP CCD, the IMX021 has six times larger image cells but it's sensitivity is only three times higher. Imagine a CCD sensor the size of the IMX021 coupled with Canon's old f/1.0 lens... (then imaging it's power requirements...)

(The ICX495 is used in the i-mobile 902, and I think also LG KG920 and Gigabyte g-cam.)

Posted by liukaitc
Lensas F2218 (8 MP)

This is wrong. This phone is made from china ( or you can say taiwan).I am sure know it better than you guys.
It is also a Interpolated 8 MP CCD phones. The active pixel is 6.1MP. Use Panasonic CCD sensor (the samples you can search on the internet were took with maxiuam 8 mp, i am sure if took with active 6.1mp there will be less noise)

Actually, this phone's camera is good. The company has 22 years experience in the optical field, and had been manufacturing camera lens for Japan,Korea company for many years. Now they just enter cellphone filed, making their own product.

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Posted by AbuBasim

On 2008-04-01 22:34:35, liukaitc wrote:
Lensas F2218 (8 MP)

This is wrong. This phone is made from china ( or you can say taiwan).I am sure know it better than you guys.
It is also a Interpolated 8 MP CCD phones. The active pixel is 6.1MP. Use Panasonic CCD sensor (the samples you can search on the internet were took with maxiuam 8 mp, i am sure if took with active 6.1mp there will be less noise)

Actually, this phone's camera is good. The company has 22 years experience in the optical field, and had been manufacturing camera lens for Japan,Korea company for many years. Now they just enter cellphone filed, making their own product.

Sounds like a good camera phone. Shame that it's not available anywhere for ordering.

Posted by liukaitc

On 2008-04-02 13:40:08, AbuBasim wrote:

Sounds like a good camera phone. Shame that it's not available anywhere for ordering.

No idea! even it's a tri-band GSM phone, i think only sold in China.
and because it's a new brand cellphone, even in china people hardly know it. Also people in china are big fans of japanese and korean phone, they don't feel nice of chinese cellphone. Therefore, China phone can not be famous worldwide.

Actually, trace back to 2005. China's famous cellphone company Lenovo had announced cellphone v920. v920 has 4 MP camera which use Fujifilm's famous Super CCD sensor. I think this is the best china camera phone for the past two years. But due to many factors, this phone still was not successful. Since v920 is a Dual-band phone, so people outside of china rarely would know this phone.

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Posted by AbuBasim
Adding a new one to this list:

Sharp's SH-01A 8 megapixel flip packs a 28-mm wide angle lens and Dolby Pro Logic II
Sure, the US has fancy-pants capacitive touchscreen phones out the wazoo, but Japan's superphones still dominate when boiled down to a base, spec-for-spec comparison. Take this new Sharp SH-01A clamshell for example, just revealed by the FCC. It sports a 28mm wide-angle lens with 8 megapixel CCD sensor and, according to rumor, Dolby Pro Logic II surround sound for your microSD stored media. Remember, FCC testing doesn't mean it'll be sold between the left and right coasts -- this flip is likely just being certified for US roaming whenever it's finally announced for NTT DoCoMo in Japan.
Engadget Mobile

Why don't we see similar stuff from Sony Ericsson?

Posted by indup

On 2008-10-15 18:06:35, AbuBasim wrote:

Why don't we see similar stuff from Sony Ericsson?

nearly fell off my chair.

Posted by AbuBasim
According to one of the documents in the FCC filing, the Sharp SH-01A is a Symbian phone.

Posted by razec

On 2008-10-15 21:37:33, indup wrote:

On 2008-10-15 18:06:35, AbuBasim wrote:

Why don't we see similar stuff from Sony Ericsson?

nearly fell off my chair.

Kokura maybe? 12mp in CMOS is impossible

Posted by AbuBasim

On 2008-10-18 08:54:32, razec wrote:

On 2008-10-15 21:37:33, indup wrote:

On 2008-10-15 18:06:35, AbuBasim wrote:

Why don't we see similar stuff from Sony Ericsson?

nearly fell off my chair.

Kokura maybe? 12mp in CMOS is impossible

I don't think it's impossible. Look how noisy photos are from 2 MP CMOS sensors. After looking at those, would you have thought that 8 MP sensors would be in camera phones? They seem to handle the noise quite well, at least in the INNOV8. The C905 is also quite good but with slightly more noise reduction plus that it loses out on other important features (at least for me) such as VGA video recording at 30 fps.

Posted by gtr83
Having an all-in-one gadget seems to still be out of

's agenda right now

Posted by yea g
Anyone know if there will ever be a phone with a sony ss2? (min lux=0.001

)
Well not every secruity camera with a sony ss2 has 0.001 lux but one in my catalouge does (and only for half the price of a c905)

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Posted by GLOBALCOMM
Guys - who does it in all numbered, can work in the european networks ? /with exception of Imobile 902 that i have got /?

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Posted by Nil Einne

On 2008-04-02 21:08:21, liukaitc wrote:

On 2008-04-02 13:40:08, AbuBasim wrote:
Sounds like a good camera phone. Shame that it's not available anywhere for ordering.

Actually the phone is avaible from a few places I've come across. E.g. http://www.fastcardtech.com/g[....]MERA+SUPER+SHINING+PHONE.html. They also have another phone with a supposed 5.1MP camera (being a Chinese phone, who know's what's the real sensor size, it does appear to at least be able to save 5.1MP images) http://www.fastcardtech.com/g[....]s+F320+SUPER+MOBILE+PHONE.html although no idea if it's CCD. I've no experience with FastCardTech so can't guarantee they won't disappear with your money of course. There are some concerning reports, e.g. http://www.justanswer.com/que[....]2-paypal-trying-pay-money-even http://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.fastcardtech.com but some are not so bad http://www.thewholesaleforums[....]6-factorymobilephones-com.html http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729174942AAhfgfI http://dropshipforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=8781, it's possible some of the reports just involved people who didn't wait long enough etc. They do accept PayPal so I believe in some countries (e.g. US) you can file a dispute and get your money back if it's not received and since they seem to have been around for a while, I would presume if they are a complete scam PayPal would have killed their account by now.

Also FastCardTech are known for selling fake items http://www.mysciphone.com/Eng[....]Forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2898 so there's no guarantee that's really a Lensas F2218 as opposed to something that looks like it with goodnessknows what inside.

In any case, I have to say I don't find the Lensas F2218 that impressive. Looking at the only photos I can find from some Chinese review http://mobile.pconline.com.cn/review/0711/1165195_4.html they don't look that sharp, even if you reduce the resolution to something close to the true 6MP sensor resolution and seem a bit washed out and with poor colour and saturation to me (although I'm hardly an expert on digital photography) particularly compared to the I-mobile 902. The same with the FE230 with it's Scny lens. http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/news/index.html?news_id=7180 (there are actually two hidden photos which I guess the reviewers forgot to link to http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/7180/a05_original.jpg and http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/7180/a06_original.jpg ). While I don't speak Chinese, the impression I got from a machine translation is that the reviewers weren't too impressed with the cameras either.

Sadly IMHO from what I've seen the Chinese branded manufacturers don't seem have achieved anything close to Samart/i-mobile yet even tho they produce fine stand alone digital cameras (I presume) and should easily be capable of it. The lack of interest in the F2218 and I guess v920 perhaps didn't help, although the poor quality in the former case surely contributes to that (the i-mobile 902 seems to have received quite a lot of attention particularly in South East Asia). Then again the Chinese mobile phone market often seems way to gimmicky and kitchen-sinky to me as well as so full of bullshit (6800 mah batteries, non-existant optical zoom) that I guess it's hard for true quality to compete, particularly when most people are still going to trust the Koreans and Japanese over you and protecting your brand is rather difficult. Of course even Samart don't seem to be going anywhere further, the i-mobile 902 is 3 years old and if I'm not mistaken is out of production and they don't seem to have launched any real replacement so perhaps even that wasn't as successful as it seemed from all the noise (although IMHO it at least helped them raise their profile significantly outside Thailand). Indeed the smart thing IMHO for Samart to do would have been to not worry about the camera too much, but work on the rest of the phone. If they produced a decent phone with their current camera it would still be quite competitive IMHO.

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Posted by northmonkey
Just come across one of these on ebay, I bet they are crap aren't they?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/K-Touch[....]0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 BBCode End -->

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Posted by Nil Einne

On 2009-06-28 04:22:10, northmonkey wrote:

Just come across one of these on ebay, I bet they are crap aren't they?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/K-Touch[....]1%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

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Actually I just came across that myself and meant to mention it. There's been some brief discussion in another thread. http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=172239&start=0

There are a bunch of samples of photos from both the C700 and the sister C800 (with a supposed 8MP and more sensitive CCD) in these reviews http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=1441 http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=1506 . I'm not quite sure what RingHK is, I presume it's a HK review site. It looks like those were pre-release versions so it's possible the actual released versions are crappier then what's show on the site.

However, I have to say (bearing in mind I have little experience in this matter) the photos seem good so presuming these photos are a fair representation of what the phone is capable of it seems to me to actually be a fairly decent camera in a phone from China for once considering the price (eBay not RingHK) and comparisons to branded phones. Not awe inspiring but not bad. The big flaw (of I have no idea whether their specs are even close to accurate) is according to some sources, the C700 has 2 memory card slots (not unheard of in Chinese phones) but you can't access both of these from the phone. The camera portion has access to one and the phone portion to the other. You can only change them by switching the cards around. If this is correct it's a rather bad flaw hence why I called it a camera in a phone rather then a camera phone. From a machine translation of the C800 review this flaw is supposed to have been corrected.

Even tho these phones are out of my price range, I'm somewhat please to find them as they appear to be an example of what I'm looking for, a Chinese manufacturer actually trying to make a decent camera phone rather then just adding everything possible for the price, giving it a wacky name and then coming up with bullshit specs.

BTW, there is also a K-touch C500 and C350 and A168 albeit these don't have CCD sensors and don't seem to be available on eBay

Found another review http://www.dcfever.com/news/readnews.php?id=2318

Seems to be a DC site so perhaps a better review for the DC features including a resolution test comparing it to a S80. While the S80 clearly comes out on top (click ori for the original images, not on the image) it's not that bad considering

Also this is the K-touch website http://www.k-touch.cn I think. And looking at the site, it seems they have a few other CCD camera phones, although the differences isn't that clear to me. If you understand Chinese perhaps you'll be able to work it out better. There's even a supposed 10.3 MP CCD phone

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