Posted by specialk
"Independent market research firm Arcadia Research has released sales figures for Nokias N-Gage mobile phone/games console in the US. The disappointing figures show sales of under 5,000 units including both video game and mobile phone retailers.
Nokia officials have still not released official figures of their own, with the only previous sales results being a figure of below 500 for video games retailers in the UK. Figures for this weeks sales are rumoured to be as low as 360 units in that country."
Posted by MaThIbUs
Muahahahaha :evil:
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Haha! I see the expensive advertising campaign was well worth the few hundred sales :-D
Posted by kev.morris
Shame
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Seeing tomb raider in 3d looking so good on such a small device was good, but still. . . . . . Haha!
Posted by Andy.
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On 2003-10-21 22:25:39, BOSSHOGG wrote:
Haha! I see the expensive advertising campaign was well worth the few hundred sales
you mean this ad
http://mobile.esato.com/viewtopic.php?topic=40637&forum=12
Posted by BOSSHOGG
I'm on wap so can't check that link, well i can by editing a bookmark, but can't be bothered. But in the uk the be is on a lot, and all the shops have given it plenty of floor space. Which is pretty expensive.
Posted by gatevital
I think that ceefax said that the sales figuers are for game shops only and not mobile phone shops (bbc ceefax page 553)
Posted by TheSlayer
The one good thing about the Ngage is that it can use mp3s as ringtones....
Posted by lesneo
P900 will be the first SE phone to use mp3 as ringtone... be patient...
Posted by DragonEye
mp3.. and wav whats' the diff?
yeah they're bigger but you only need 15 sec's anyways....
Posted by Ludwig
it dont like it..
and its very hard to play on it(atleast tomb raider)
Posted by kenzoden
Unfortunate news for Nokia I guess.
Still I doubt if they really put all their eggs into one basket though. From their past experiences with "gamepad" phones (5510, 3300), they would know it would be a risk going into the gaming arena against giants like Nintendo and Sony.
Not to mention, with less than 10 games at launch, it's unlikely to make much waves.
To make things worse, even casual mobile users know that in less than a year, there'll surely be some upgraded version of the NGage. With 6600, 3660, 3620 (latter 2 upgrades to 3650) sporting an improved Series 60 interface and 65K TFT display, it sure seems likely an improved NGage is in the pipelines...
Posted by sn3ipen
Did you guyz know that Nokia is saying that N-gage is outsold in stores in england, thats truth But they forget to say that its whas wherry few n-gage in each stores, cuz the stores dont belive thatN-gage is going to a big sucsessor so they wont take in more phones than necesary.
Posted by ac
N-gage will most proabably be a flop. The 3300 already is a flop. But as long as Nokia maintains its leadership position, it won't be bothered by such failures.
Even
has had its share of problems...
T610... hissing and bluetooth headset support
Z600... wap/gprs browser problems
Posted by Super G
a) Christmas is coming b) many buy phones subsidized. In other words i wouldn't call this a flop at this stage...
Posted by ShibbyLicious
hmmmm, the orginal post on this topic is a little misleading and out of context. its taken from an aritcle on www.theregister.co.uk.
the statement is true that the ngage has been a sales flop in gaming stores. but then thats not the ngages core outlet - yet. the ngage is till a nokia and those wanting to buy one wil automatically associate a nokia device (no matter what its function) with a phone retailer like CPW. this most likely the main reason for the poor figures.
until CPW et all release their own sales figures we will never really know how successful the ngage has/will be. in addition i wouldnt go by any stats given by nokia as they will stats based on units shipped compared to units old which will be a big difference.
one of the major problem for the ngage is that it has no installed user base unlike the gameboy. even if
releases a ngage-esque device it would be a whole different and more successful story as sony would most likely push its gaming and PlayStation brands behind it, nokia doesnt have this oopurtunity. they havent helped themselves either by giving out pr about how they aim to take gameboys market, this would piss off nintendo and the game developers i think will listen to nintendo over nokia if you get what i mean. all the ngage has in terms of games are ports of what are in fact farely old games.
for nokia to succeed with the ngage they need to do what sony did with the playstation - lead by innovation. nintendo sold well cos of mario and sega cos of sonic. ps sold well cos it had wicked games that had never been seen before and so people wanted it. nokia need to create the need for people to own an ngage and not hope that people will buy it cos it cool and novelty - that doesnt bode well for consoles, remember the neogeo, a lot of hype but after a while no sunbstance as there was no innovation.
just my 2 cents
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Posted by sn3ipen
I dont think its strange at all that N-Gage is selling bad. It look like crap and its like a 3330 with games and mp3. I would never in my life embarise myself talking in a taco on the street.
Posted by TheRealSpawn
AMSTERDAM, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Finland's Nokia (NOK1V.HE: Quote, Profile, Research) , the world's largest mobile phone maker, said on Wednesday it had sold 400,000 of its N-Gage portable game decks in the two weeks since the commercial launch on October 7.
"We've sold around 400,000 N-Gage in the first two weeks," Ilkka Raiskinen, senior vice president entertainment and media at Nokia Mobile Phones, told Reuters in a telephone interview.
The number refers to models Nokia has sold to shops and other retail outlets, but Raiskinen said sales to end-consumers were "very good in Europe and Asia Pacific". He added his company had already received follow-up orders.
Nokia has set itself a target to sell between six and nine million N-Gage devices before the end of 2004 as it challenges the dominance of Japan's Nintendo (7974.OS: Quote, Profile, Research) which controls the portable gaming market with its Gameboy Advance.
Nintendo has said it aims to sell some 20 million Gameboy Advance units in its current fiscal year which started in April.
Nokia also said that some 5,000 on-line game sessions were carried out every day by N-Gage owners. N-Gage is the first portable game deck on which players in different locations can battle against each other over the mobile phone network.
Raiskinen said Nokia would now extend its network of retail outlets for N-Gage beyond the 30,000 with which it has started. This could include electronics and gaming shops and web sites.
"We need to improve our retail presence. Most (consumers) still go the telecoms sales channels to buy an N-Gage," he said.
Most first N-Gage buyers were young men, with a big cluster of consumers around 20 years old, and a group aged around 30.
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3665516
Posted by specialk
Exactly. Nokia's numbers reflect units sold to retailers, not to customers.
Posted by GiantRobot
I think it is fairly valid to say the N-Gage is a flop at this point. Nokia seems to have totally misjudged the market for the N-Gage. The N-Gage is priced very poorly for a game machine, as such it is going to sell very poorly in game outlets. To people who buy console games $300 means an entirely new platform to buy games for. A $300 console is not a neat must-have gadget for most game buyers. The price of an N-Gage would buy a PS2 or GBA and a core library of brand new games, even more if you went for used games.
To people who drop down $300 even year on a new whiz-bang cell phone the N-Gage might be an attractive little toy to pick up however. I don't see Nokia really advertising to those people. They should be focusing on the people buying 3650s and T610s. Instead of pitting the N-Gage against GBA games they should be pitting it against the relatively crappy Java games on the 3650 or T610. The N-Gage is a phone with some cool games. It is being marketed as a game console. Game consoles aren't practically worthless without monthly subscriptions. The N-Gage is.
I think the N-Gage is going to flop badly, to the point where they will be given away with new wireless contracts just to get rid of them. Console game develors don't like moving targets. Cell phones are very dynamic, new versions are being released all the time. This is just going to lead to the current N-Gage games being entirely incompatible with a phone that comes out in 2005. A $40 investment in Tomb Raider now isn't going to be worth a whole lot when the N-Gage 2 with larger screen and different processor is released.
Posted by Super G
Well, in fact I think you should read this news about 400,000 units sold to retailers again.
These are units sold SINCE october the 7th! Remember that on October 7th, it was already available worldwide.
I.e. there is obviously a real demand for them!
Posted by obsixx
You know, nintendo once tried to put a phone in their gameboy remember? Oh wait, nobody does. If somebody did we wouldn't have this tragity known as ngage.
Posted by specialk
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If there was a demand, more than a few hundred of the 400,000 units would be in consumer's hands - not on the retailer's shelves.
Nokia greatly misjudged the demand of the N-Gage.
N-Gage = Flop
Posted by Quicksilver
well i don't like Nokia as well...I find them to be...toys...instead of mobile phones, but I think it is really early to call it a flop.
Besides...in Italy they seem to sell out fine.
Posted by Super G
@ specialk
"If there was a demand, more than a few hundred of the 400,000 units would be in consumer's hands - not on the retailer's shelves.
Nokia greatly misjudged the demand of the N-Gage.
N-Gage = Flop "
Well, I can see many GBA on retailer's shelves. Does that mean there's no demand for it? That would be a bit of a simplistic reasoning don't you think?
I'm sure you would likely be delighted if it ended up as a flop, but like a French saying goes "Don't sell the bear's skin before having killed it"...
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Oh and there's a very good reason for that: they didnt have the competence. Now they're working on it with Motorola.
Anyway, you might want to look up the word "Innovation" in your dictionary.
Every mobile phone around has game nowadays. NGage offers console-quality games and mobile gaming which was impossible until now!
Though you might be reluctant to it, fair enough, but it's not because nobody does something, that nobody should do it.
Take a simple example:
nobody did make fire before the first man did.
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Posted by specialk
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Nintendo sells every unit they make and have for years. Nokia has failed to generate widespread interest with the N-Gage. The reason you see so many GBA's on the shelves is because they continue to receive shipments every week. It's too feeble for real gamers and too inconvenient for people who want a phone (have you seen how you have to talk on this thing? It looks like you're holding a taco to your head.)
On top of that, it's marketed at the youth market. The majority of the youth market could not afford a $300 phone. For about $100 you could get a GameBoy Advance AND a good cellphone. Both of which will be better than the N-Gage.
I don't know how many of you knew this, but when Nokia first started developing the N-Gage they were doing it with Nintendo as a joint project. Nintendo realized early on that Nokia was intending to make a product that would not sell so they pulled out. That is why Nintendo is now working with Motorola on a similar project.
Go read some market research and sales figures of the N-Gage compared to any portable game console OR cellphone and you'll realize the N-Gage is seriously lagging behind.
N-Gage = Flop
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Posted by GiantRobot
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Well, in fact I think you should read this news about 400,000 units sold to retailers again. |
The number of units sold to retails is irrelevant. The numbers people are actually buying is nowhere near what has been shipped to retailers. This ought to tell you that no one is interested in buying the N-Gage. There is no consumer demand for the N-Gage, just retailer demand naively believing Nokia's ridiculous marketing. You bring up the fact Gameboys sit on store shelves. When the Gameboy Advance was released retailers could not keep it stocked! After the GBA was available for a week it was practically impossible to find it anywhere. I was at a game shop yesterday the there were several N-Gage's sitting in the case with no one doing much more than glancing at them. That is hardly consumer demand.
The N-Gage is being marketed to the wrong people and does not live up to the marketing hype. The games are jerky with poor graphics. Tomb Raider which I played yesterday was slow and looked more like a slideshow than an interactive game. The only thing that will sell the N-Gage is generous carrier subsidizing. If people can pick them up from T-Mobile and Cingular for $150 and a renewed or new contract they might sell decently. Game shops trying to unload them at retail price is going to fail miserably.
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Posted by obsixx
@ Super GIt's not that I don't want to see the marriage of the cell and the console worlds, I just don't want it done half assed. The ngage is not innovation, nokia is just tring to cash in on a lucrative market. This is evident by the lack of originality in their launch titles. Nokia basicly grabbed up all the high profile franchises they could and put them on a device that can not handle them. Nintendo has the right idea now, mototorola knows phones and nintendo knows gaming that could be big.
Posted by Super G
@obsixx. I highly recommend you actually try these games on N-Gage (pandemonium, tomb raider, etc...) They put GBA to shame. Nintendo's in fact doing the wrong thing: GBA is a technically old device. And now they try to match what N-Gage offers in term of mobility. The game is already lost. They are obviously worried about N-Gage potential.
Posted by obsixx
@ super gIn the end it's all about substance, gamers right threw the gimicky ngage. It's god aweful design flaws (ie. to change games you must first disassemble ngage, uncomfortable as a phone, etc..). Ngage graphicly higher than gba, I'll give you that. As far as content ngage is on the cutting edge of mediocracy.
Posted by Super G
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Well, I remember the time when PS2 was launched with a couple of games only... and not all that good
Not that N-Gage compares to PS2 (far from that), but just to say, that there will be numerous titles to come. And I've honestly been positively impressed by the games on N-Gage vs what I've played on GBA before. The first titles launched were not perfect but they are very tasty appetizers.
Posted by Krubach
I've never seen such a huge amount in stock for other phones one Expansys.
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=N-GAGE
They're not selling it as they expected, period.
For a comparison of stock amounts:
http://www.expansys.com/other.asp?man=NOKIA
N-Gage >= Flop
Posted by Super G
@ Krubach
Just check the right hand side of your screen when going on Expansys, the one that tells "Top Selling All Nokia Products". Period.
1. Nokia 6600 (Light Grey)
2. Nokia N-Gage Wireless Gaming Conso...
3. Nokia 7600
4. Nokia HDW-2 Bluetooth Headset
5. Nokia 6310i (Silver) Tri-Band + Bl...
6. Nokia 6220 (Dark Grey)
7. Nokia 8910i
8. Nokia 7250 (Blue)
9. Nokia 6100 (Dark Blue)
10. Nokia 7650
11. Nokia DKU-5 Data Cable (Nokia Pop ...
12. Nokia 6650
13. Nokia 3650 (Grey)
14. Nokia Wireless Car Kit CARK112
15. Nokia 3650 (Blue)
16. Nokia 7250i (Blue)
17. Nokia D211 GPRS WLAN Card
18. Nokia 6800
19. Nokia 8910 (Natural Titanium)
20. Nokia 6600 (Rose)
Posted by sn3ipen
Sorry, but i have to
about N-gage. A normal game consol use to be outsold the first week but N-gage is selling so bad and Nokia trying to convince uss that N-gage is a bestseller. So we will think its a cool product and go buy one.
belive me its not.
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Posted by obsixx
@ Super GPs2 had something ngage doesn't, bankability of the ps name. Fans knew what they were getting right out of the box. When xbox lanched microsoft put out halo and blew most peoples minds. If they lanched with a port of the 5 year old tomb radier where do you think they'd be? My point is if nokia was serious about ngage being more than a novelty they would of stepped up to the plate alittle more.
Posted by Krubach
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It's look more like a "We-wish-this-would-be-the-Top-Selling-All-Nokia-Products-'cause-we'd-make-a-lot-of-money" kinda list.
If you look you can check this list:
http://www.expansys.com/d_gsm.asp
And you'll notice that P900 is on 3rd, Z1010 is 6th, SX1 is 9th.
So the top selling lists mean nothing...
Just by pre-ordering stuff it doesn't mean that you'll buy them.
Nokia 6600 is the top selling and it's not even out yet.
N-Gage >>>>= Flop
Posted by Super G
To correct you 6600 is out and selling. Besides the site ranks top selling Nokia products. No matter how you wish to twist what the site claims to fit your opinion, it still says N-Gage is the 2nd best selling Nokia product on Expansys. You can't argue about that.
Posted by moood
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Remember that it took a while before the Xbox started to selling in big numbers. And thats a Microsoft product. So you can't really say that the N-gage is a flop just after a few weeks.
Posted by obsixx
@ Super G, I took your advice today and went to the local Gameshop to try the ngage. They had 2 on display, one of which was inopperable, while the other would not run the game. I am try to keep an open mind, but now I have to add unrealiable to the list.
Posted by Miss UK
Err... N-Gage aint selling to well cos of the price, compare it with a gameboy advance thats cheaper, Nokia have to reduce it if its ment to sell
Posted by Super G
I don't think one can judge the reliability of any device based on one on display. Though i understand your impression. But it has happened to me quite a few times to test something on display that wouldn't work (ps2, tv, cameras)...
Posted by Flying Finn
You know it's funny... The N-Gage is extremely cheap for a phone/multimedia device if you look at its features. But very expensive for simply a gaming device. It's hard to convince people that it's more than just a gaming device. People sort of.. want to pay a low price for the gaming features.. and get all the other things (a tri-band phone, Internet, MMS, MP3, Radio, Symbian apps) for free.
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Posted by sn3ipen
N-gage cant do a sh*t compared to other phones at that prize.
Posted by Flying Finn
Well non-Symbian phones cant do shit compared to Symbian phones, and its the cheapest Symbian phone
Posted by fcd
Hereis a link from reuters about it.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3687779
Basically, it says that two us ressellers (Game Stop & Electronic Boutique) are selling the N-Gage 100 USD under suggested retail price (ie 199 instead of 299 USD) due to near-zero demand...
So I think that, indeed, retaillers anticipated a huge demand for the N-Gage, and that, so far, demand did not meet their expectations...
But still, it could be a hit one day? who knows!..
Posted by DragonEye
X-box still sucks whoever made that comment PS2 owns.
and honestly the n-gage it just way to pricey. the 3650 is much better IMO.
and once peopel start cracking the games..it'll be GAME OVER for the N-gage..
I just felt like saying that..ahahhahahh
Posted by Super G
Check this out
Posted by mhorton
A couplr of my mates have them and they seem to really like them, But I have to say I hate them, It's the way you have to put the phone on it's side to answer the phone.
Posted by Super G
There's nothing wrong with holding it sideways really. It's not uncomfortable, you hear perfectly, and people who drive behind you can see the light of the screen so it's good when it's dark
Check this one out: www.sidetalkin.com :lol
[ This Message was edited by: Super G on 2003-10-28 14:21 ]