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kewsvnet
Joined: Feb 26, 2007
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i for one am not overly thrilled with the idea of separate lens with a sensor....kinda defeats the purpose of carrying one device for all your needs. With this concept you get to get a good photo you need 2 device -
2 devices to buy (unless they are packaged together its just an extra cost over an already expensivish phone)
2 devices to carry around (definitely not pocket friendly especially when the phone is already pretty huge)
2 devices with batteries to charge
Whats wrong with just putting the best possible camera hardware in the phone, and if that is not enough just have an actual camera which could work standalone but can be paired with a phone for sharing and distributing of photos (this way yes there are still 2 devices but each can work standalone and only paired when needed)
I really hope this is just a concept and that people are talking about it to confuse most of the public so the actual phone announcement appears as a surprise! |
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Shotokan81
Joined: Jun 01, 2013
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What you say is correct, and I still hope they cram a very good camera by default in Honami.
However, it is impossible to cram the camera of the RX100II in a slim phone.
So this may be a good option for people who do not want to buy a complete camera, as we know camera sales are going down.
In the end, it may be a failure, or it may be the future of mobile imaging, it will depend on how cumbersome it is to use, many people here raised concern about data transfer, power supply, size and transport. We could add ergonomy.
Let's see how they built it, I hope both the phone and the accessory will be great.
On separate point, why do everybody complain about buying two things? I do not know about every country, but the good thing about phones is that we get subsidies, so people buy phones but the picture quality is inferior to cameras. Then if people stop buying cameras, the likes of sony need to find ideas to conttinue to sell products, right? And the accesorry allows phones owners to take great pics without purchasing the full camera, they would probably not purchase anyway as sales show.
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razec
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
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Whats wrong with just putting the best possible camera hardware in the phone
What best do you mean with that? the is no cameraphone in the market that can compete with an RX100 II in image quality, few people would say 808 takes great pictures but let's be honest, its not even close. now if you want a smartphone with camera HW like the RX100 then you'd end up with an ugly fat brick like the S4 Zoom. you can't place it on your pocket and if you hang it with your neck it will look like a cheap digital camera from the back now when you have a stylish slim phone which you can fit on your pocket and when the situation needs you install the lens. people are usually astonished with people shooting with MILC/DSLRs so a large high quality lens sticking on your phone which gives an MILC look and feel would certainly turn more heads at any rate.
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u2jewel
Joined: Jul 04, 2013
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On 2013-07-20 15:01:50, Ricky D wrote:
Imagine the unsuspecting panchira shots, "it's only a lens how I could possibly be having filming?", turn around, touch, touch, uploaded 
...and that pic uploaded onto picasa would be the first official photo taken by Honami spotted in the wild. 20 megapixel pic quality scrutinized extensively... 
I checked on the web for the meaning of Panchira, totally expecting to find nothing, so that I could translate and enlighten (or maybe disgust, depending on who you are..) everyone about what panchira means (I figured more don't know than know...)... MY GOODNESS! First on the search result was WIKI! Had no idea it was globally famous now.
and..
ot..
I am now on my laptop, but when I read ^ post, i was on my Nexus 7.
I opened the link in separate tab, and found that it keeps on jumping to some porn site, no matter how many times i try. Why is that?
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Ricky D
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The panchira part was supposed to go unnoticed except for those who know, an in joke, if you will.
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spw
Joined: Dec 28, 2009
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On 2013-07-20 15:39:10, kewsvnet wrote:
i for one am not overly thrilled with the idea of separate lens with a sensor....kinda defeats the purpose of carrying one device for all your needs. With this concept you get to get a good photo you need 2 device -
right now to get a good photo you need separate camera... so it makes sense to make it accessory and even smaller/cheaper
it doesnt have anything specifically to do with Honami anyway. You will probably be able to use it exactly the same with Xperia L. |
kewsvnet
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What I meant by best possible hardware in a phone was best possible for a phone, sorry for not being clear! I was in no way trying to suggest getting RX100 Mk2 sensor in there! The reason for best possible sensor on the phone itself is I would not always want to carry an accessory or separate camera with me. So the best camera is the camera that you have on you!
At the moment from my point of view that is Nokia Pureview 808 or Nokia Lumia 1020, Sure the Honami 1/2.3" sensor isn't bad and possibly the best in any Android Phone (forgetting the Galaxy Zoom which I don't really consider a phone)
The accessory just seems pointless according to me! It is not enhancing the phone's photographic capabilities, it is in its own right a separate device (which you have to carry and charge) with very limited functionality that connects to your phone.
But rather than having yet another accessory, which you surely can't just comfortably put in your pocket and would need something else to carry that in, why not just have a proper camera to carry separately eg. RX100 Mk2 which already has NFC and WiFi pairing and the good thing with that is you can actually use RX100 Mk2 as a camera on its own as well! |
xperia_aio
Joined: Jun 21, 2013
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On 2013-07-20 19:47:23, kewsvnet wrote:
The accessory just seems pointless according to me! It is not enhancing the phone's photographic capabilities, it is in its own right a separate device (which you have to carry and charge) with very limited functionality that connects to your phone.
But rather than having yet another accessory, which you surely can't just comfortably put in your pocket and would need something else to carry that in, why not just have a proper camera to carry separately eg. RX100 Mk2 which already has NFC and WiFi pairing and the good thing with that is you can actually use RX100 Mk2 as a camera on its own as well!
actually it does enhance the phone's photographic capabilities. its a better sensor and arguably a better lens (if it is indeed come with a Zeiss lens).
and i think it will be a niche device, just for those photo enthusiasts (me included!  ) and it should be less expensive than the RX100 so it'll be a lil easier on the hole the honami is going to burn in pockets.. (well mine at least  )
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kewsvnet
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well i guess as u mention if it really is much cheaper than RX100 Mk2 then it makes sense!
but from what I can imagine it needs to have a pretty good quality lens, a very good quality sensor, and from what people say that it won't be transferring the RAW data to the phone as that is too much data to transfer quickly over wireless it would also need a pretty good processor!
so from what I can tell it is basically a RX100 Mk2 without a screen and I would be surprised if it was a lot cheaper than the RX100 Mk2 unless it is sacrificing Image Quality in some terms compared to RX100 Mk2 and in that case why bother! |
vivftp
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I wonder how likely it is they can design these lenses to be waterproof. I doubt they'll be shockproof. It'd be AMAZING if they were, but if not I guess that means limited functionality out of Honami if you want to keep the lens on all the time.
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spw
Joined: Dec 28, 2009
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On 2013-07-20 20:43:03, kewsvnet wrote:
well i guess as u mention if it really is much cheaper than RX100 Mk2 then it makes sense!
but from what I can imagine it needs to have a pretty good quality lens, a very good quality sensor, and from what people say that it won't be transferring the RAW data to the phone as that is too much data to transfer quickly over wireless it would also need a pretty good processor!
so from what I can tell it is basically a RX100 Mk2 without a screen and I would be surprised if it was a lot cheaper than the RX100 Mk2 unless it is sacrificing Image Quality in some terms compared to RX100 Mk2 and in that case why bother!
it is big sensor good lens camera operated by android phone... that has its advantages... you can put it up on the other side of the room and take pics of it from your phone... or use it as high end kid monitor... or stick it in your bag and take it out when you want to take pics.
It wont have quite few things that are on RX, so it could be cheaper... i have no idea by how much, by 20-30% maybe? They will probably make one with cheaper sensor/lens thats still way superior to ones in phones. |
g-ryznar
Joined: Jun 05, 2013
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Randomuser: Can you answer my question from the 953? I care about this, especially when it comes to internal memory. |
sami92a
Joined: Dec 11, 2012
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On 2013-07-20 22:45:37, g-ryznar wrote:
Randomuser: Can you answer my question from the 953? I care about this, especially when it comes to internal memory.
16 GB is whats heard for now.. |
supercoolman
Joined: Jun 04, 2013
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On 2013-07-20 17:14:05, u2jewel wrote:
On 2013-07-20 15:01:50, Ricky D wrote:
Imagine the unsuspecting panchira shots, "it's only a lens how I could possibly be having filming?", turn around, touch, touch, uploaded
...and that pic uploaded onto picasa would be the first official photo taken by Honami spotted in the wild. 20 megapixel pic quality scrutinized extensively...
I checked on the web for the meaning of Panchira, totally expecting to find nothing, so that I could translate and enlighten (or maybe disgust, depending on who you are..) everyone about what panchira means (I figured more don't know than know...)... MY GOODNESS! First on the search result was WIKI! Had no idea it was globally famous now.
and..
ot..
I am now on my laptop, but when I read ^ post, i was on my Nexus 7.
I opened the link in separate tab, and found that it keeps on jumping to some porn site, no matter how many times i try. Why is that?
[ This Message was edited by: u2jewel on 2013-07-20 16:19 ]
I opened the link in Firefox, Chrome, IE and never saw any porn site. maybe you somehow activated your app for that? |
vivftp
Joined: Mar 10, 2012
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Hmmmm, I wonder how large the battery in the external lens would be. It would be amazing if they could design it to work with Sonys existing NP-BX1 batteries that they use for the RX100 and RX100 II. Those batteries are rated at 1240mAh and they easily power the entire camera for a reasonable amount of shots. Strip away the battery having to power the screen and flash, and it should be able to go much further. On the flipside, it would have to power the wireless connection all the time, but I still think it should be more energy efficient than the full camera.
That battery measures in at 29.9 x 9.2 x 42.7mm so it's definately thin enough that it won't cause a lot of bulk in the external lens. It'd also be great if it could interface with the magnetic charging port so that either it could act as an external battery for your phone, or vice versa. |
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